Leave this poor man alone, for Gods sake. The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13. He is one of the first and only witnesses in this case!!. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years. We obtained this document via a public records request. Delphi Murders Update March 26, 2021 - Beyond Highbrow You are an obviously intelligent person and have made many good points. Give it a rest, dammit! Are you speculating? 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. Bob Matlock, owner of the now-closed Jessies Bar & Grill, said Richard Matthews Allen and his wife were regular customers, often talking about the murders of 14-year-old Liberty Libby German and 13-year-old in 2017. Here's the Update in His Case. So every time a kid gets killed in a sexual murder, LE goes looking for photos and videos of the murder because obviously everyone who kills a kid takes pics of it and videotapes it. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. Police cleared nations as a suspect. That leads me, and others more knowledgeable than me, that there was SOMETHING with the bodies (possibly posed)that local LE thought there could be a serial killer. Im fooling the cops, ha ha! is the thinking. It was dusty and disheveled. youre smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping. Cookie Notice We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. This claims are quite dubious and we dont suggest anyone put any weight into them. I saw the picture and while I could see the "face", I didn't see the rest of what people were claiming to see. And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. The idea that a gag order was issued on this truck is an unconfirmed rumor. The warrant, obtained by the Murder Sheet podcast and released to Indianapolis FOX59, offered no further detail on what the souvenir was, although it did say that 'the rest of [the girls'] clothing was recovered,' implying that the killer had taken something they'd been wearing. CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. The Delphi murders are a bizarre crime that has sparked nationwide attention. Its more secure. If so, why? The FBI has released a description for the suspect, which is that he is a white male between 5'6" and 5'8" tall. However, I do not know how to contact you Sir. Drunkard perhaps. Daniel Nations, a registered Indiana sex-offender, was arrested in Colorado in September 2017 after threatening hikers with a hatchet. He is said to haveadmitted talking to Libby German using a fake Instagram profile called Anthony_shots. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, This is a community where we can speak openly about the Murders of Libby and Abby in Delphi, IN, Press J to jump to the feed. That looks suspicious as Hell. Im not sure if pregnancy can be confirmed via autopsy before 6 weeks. In general, the less said about the other aspects of his life the better, and they have no relationship to this case anyway. Garrett said it's possible that the gun jammed and the killer turned to another weapon. Mr. X also cuts up a lot of deer that he shoots for food. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the shows founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesdays Crime Stories to discuss the case. The fact that we were given little to no information about what really happened to Abby and Libby other than they were murdered by BG) from LE says a lot more to me than LE lets on. Most of Leigh Kerrs and the search party members testimony has gone into this bracket because unfortunately, while we think they are right, we cannot regard their testimony as probative. Article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and cant keep her stories straight. Also, there is debate, but if you look at the scanner recording of the day when the bodies were found, the local PD says "keep them away" in response to a statement re: bystanders + FBI; resulting in debate about whether local pd was trying to keep FBI away and why. Im confused. Im not sure I understand what covered means. Although the exact murder weapon is redacted in the warrant, Body Bags host and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan told Grace that the killer likely used an edged weapon, given the amount of blood found at the crime scene. What makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual. They go up to the knee and are designed to be waterproof. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. Logan identifying him also speaks volumes considering how close they were all Kirts life, But Ed Bounds makes a really terrific point about why Logan was allowed to get out of jail & do his time at homeBasically saying thats incredibly rare but for the reason even more rare (horses need a better attendee? Train tracks and you guessed it, more fields, parallel to the gas station. Employment history: Unknown prior to 2011. These guys are mostly narcissists and they dont believe in cooperation. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. We dont know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally dont park a quarter mile away and hike in. But know, this is deliberate. I guess I also wonder how everyone put such and effort to look only a few hours after being missing. He stayed to guard his truck. The Delphi Murders: chilling, puzzling and still unsolved. Can this Today a true-crime podcast released documents that shed new light on the unsolved crime. [43] Libby's grandmother, Becky, makes a deal with the girls. He took it with him in some sort of hunting pack? It was my understanding that a local news channel had posted 1 crime scene photo to their Facebook page, and that it was of clothing in the creek. I dont know this man very well, but he wasnt in on this crime. Oh, one more thing, Jim. Anyway, where you at with this case now? They say they want to preserve the integrity of the investigation. I see T. Neighboring state. Then email me and and I will give you the link and password and I will also let you into the new forum where you can set up your own name and password. What? I read through it early on, saw interesting stuff and then later came back and tried to find the interesting stuff but got lost. Deer kits have five knives, so we assume this one does too. If they were killed right away, its no problem, but if they were not killed until 12 hours later, its one more thing that makes no sense. He wasnt searching for his keys early on. Investigators believe the man is the killer. Not sure if its Tennessee, or Texas? jeffreydumber. Why would they deliberately contradict their own beliefs? Who Is Kegan Kline, the Alleged Catfisher Being Investigated in Delphi Girls' Murder Case? If I were LE, I would take a long, hard look at Rick Brown in Delphi, Indiana. It was dark. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. We agree with that because we think they were sitting in his pocket the whole time! This implies that the girls were returned to the scene later. There are fields behind his home! If it's real, it's very sad, but it's likely people grasping at straws. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Try harder. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. But they used experts to clean it up with fancy software and groups of experts got together to try to figure out what was being said. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. Im sure the guy does look at posts and stuff which is creepy as all hell. Actually there are four suspects in this case and we are not naming any of them. I believe Mr. X is the guy. The girls bodies were discovered on his property - just1,400 from his house - and it was revealed over the summer that his alibi for the day of the murder did not line up. On February 13, 2017, Libby and Abby took a hiking trip at the abandoned Monon High Bridge, in an outing that was only meant to be for a few hours. I still have the pic. The 2017 murder of Abby and Libby became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. Hence, formally, everything Leaker said has gone into unconfirmed rumors other than the things we were able to confirm from other probative sources. Another document we have is another search warrant, this time for the Maxwell property. Well, the police have told us that they have a main suspect in this case, so at least I am just going to go with the cops on this one. It said she was coming to deliver the keys. Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. Neither one can possibly be BG. So it looks like Mr. X is using to cutting up dead and possibly living animals with large knives. Crime scene photos leaked?
Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. Theyre not looking at anyone else. Please do not report this due to it discussing a rumor. And when they said BG was actually better described as a combination of both sketches, they were correct too. Delphi murders: What the unsealed documents reveal and the questions Good question and we have no answer to it. Also its very hot here and all I feel like doing is sleeping all the time. Classy. Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. 2 people did the actual murders and a woman behind the initial plan. The police chief says he is 99% sure that the main suspect, who is named, committed the crimes. Richard 'Ricky' Allen, Delphi Murders Suspect: 5 Fast Facts | Heavy.com A police chief in Martinez accused the man of committing these crimes, and the man sued the city and won $50,000. First, a pitch for support for this website and our sleuthing group: Our private group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far and has been since it was founded four years ago in 2017. Expelled From Law School, Dad Convicted of Mom & Brothers Murder. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now. FBI says their bodies 'moved and staged' in Delphi murders - WBIW Thank you so much! He took a piece of jewelry from Libby as a trophy thats also buried. They have their own sources. Unverified with Some Likelihood of Being True is a common qualification. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings, which police continue to investigate. I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. No one has to believe me when I say LE has a main suspect, but there are number of suspects that ought to be put to rest. Here are the main things that ALLEGEDLY (no proof guys, just what I received) stood out to me: 1) I got three names, of which, per your instruction, I will not provide here. Did anyone here see the crime scene photo(s)? - reddit Possibly works with kids. $20/lifetime membership. If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at as packing plant in the Delphi area, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant near Evansdale. It turns out that BGs shoes are dead perfect matches for Indiana Packers workboots. It is certainly an interesting question, is it not? Its a very rare occurrence, only 1.3% of the victims is left in an unusual, corrected position. This girl was refusing to get an abortion that he wanted her to get. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. Photo by LIBBY GERMAN / FACEBOOK Kelsis DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. Wife left him. I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. Robert, have you heard that Mr X had a deer blind on the Mears property? Flowers sit by a bridge near Delphi, Ind. Not sure if thats what this is about, but if so, Im not sold. Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. I like some of these guys. I cant demand that my friends give me money! Im thinking theres around 10 more people, in addition to the four youve mentioned, that are involved with a retaliation/revenge motive. I believe you could be spot on with your main POI. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? I have no idea why shes doing this, but its not because she killed her own sister. Also there are rumors that the girl left a note explain her pregnancy in a tree in her backyard. Its as if she took the grief of a whole town under her breast and pledged to suffer for them all, Jesus-like. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. Bruce was noted for having a similar stature to the man seen in the Delphi video, and also wore similar clothes during his St. Louis crime as the man in the video Libby and Abby took. Why dont you do a show on our theories. A subpoena for an IP address led to another address in Peru, Indiana, and a second search warrant found Kline and his father there. The man has never been identified. Too fucking bad. There is 0% chance they have anything anyways. Please do not share any sources that discuss the origin of the rumor and stick to the topic of the post. Nevertheless, as you can see above, three things that we spotted in the crime scene photos have been verified by independent sources in the search party, so the fact that these are crime scene photos is now proven. Garrett said he hopes investigators went to all of the local gun stores to see their records of sales of .40-caliber-type weapons. Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. The catfish had been catfishing those girls for four months. Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. The two men may have been working at the Tyson plant in Logansport, Indiana and may have been shipped to the sister Tyson plant in Waterloo, Iowa, where they were put up temporarily in motels for months at a time. If the early rumor is true, and Abby was posed fully clothed as if asleep, it might indicate some remorse or "undoing" by the killer. Would you please email me? If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. Logistical occupations, Construction workers etc who travel have free reign. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Ill leave it at that. LE must know that BG recorded 43 seconds of audio, presumably of his crime. His home was searched and he was arrested shortly after the killings, but he was released and never charged. It was also reported that a cyclist was murdered on the same trail around the same time Nations was threatening the hikers. The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. LE thinks he stashed his phone at the CPS building during the murders. BTW whats up with all the psychic stuff? One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. On the day the girls went missing, Libby had posted photos on Snapchat of her and Abby walking along the trail. I am trying to be vague. David, the person involved in the leaked text messages, claimed that the girls died from stabbing. To do this, he uses the knives the deer kit that BG has around his waist. He posted a photo on Facebook around three weeks to a month after the murders. Sometimes there are deliberate injuries to the mouth, including bullet wounds, as a sign that someone "talked.". The voice in the clip was described as being 'not inconsistent' with that of Logan, the FBI investigation concluded. I find it notable that not much has been said about the danger to others, I think it has been said that it could not be excluded, but I have not seen any emphatic warnings. He lives in an ivory colored mobile looking home within the country. And at the end, Carter says, He may even be in this room right now, (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. Theres no woman among them. https://www.reddit.com/r/LibbyandAbby/comments/n33koj/gray_hughes_new_information/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf. For the first time, the warrant reveals that they were killed by some type of weapon but the word is redacted in the document. High Robert, Again, not saying that he did it. They think he did it. Brad Holder: Brads son, Jason, was Abbys boyfriend. Investigators have never revealed how the girls died or disclosed details about the crime scene. He was arrested on charges of child sexual abuse images and child exploitation tied to the account and admitted to grooming underage girls online. ABC News Evidence in the Delphi, Indiana, double murder case was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details, including that suspect Richard Allen's gun was linked to the crime scene. was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details. . I wont reveal who I am talking about here though it should be obvious. The bodies were found posed by the killer, who is believed to have been between five and ten feet tall and 180 to 200 pounds. Particularly this statement. Killer Likely 'Moved and Staged' Delphi Murder Victims - Law & Crime Whatever it was that caused her to react in such a way, I just hope she shared with law enforcement. Some connection with Libby via geocaching. Chemicals used in an attempt to hide fingerprints. But it's just speculation at this point, because nothing has been confirmed. Then there is always the question of his occupation. Mr. X did not have PIV sex with either girl. The fact that the mere mention of FSG as anything more than a helpful old man out for a daily stroll is met with such hostility well, that raises all sorts of red flags with me even if the vitriol is coming from true crime enthusiasts on Reddit. We currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts. The incident was nicknamed the "Snapchat Murders" after Abby took a photo of Libby at around 2:17 p.m. and put it on social media. There are 3 most common reasons; to thwart the investigation, for the shock effect on the finder and the investigators of the crime scene, or for perverted pleasure of the perpetrator. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. Thank you I came here after being directed to you. Theyre generally unusable. 'Libby' German, 14, left, and her 13-year-old best friend Abigail 'Abby' Williams were murdered outside Delphi, Indiana on Feb. 13, 2017. That is the statement from the woman on the search team. Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victims grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. FBI agent believed bodies 'staged' in Delphi murders | wthr.com Why did Mr. X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars? We believe he could have been staging that elaborate crime scene during that time. She was being potentially catfished by this person, who, of course, looked nothing like and was nothing like what he portrayed online.. Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (dont remember which group). Only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls phones after the crime. The rest are guardians. He has connections with current LE officers. I doubt it. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? It's a strange case. But he also got wrapped up in collecting and apparently trading real deal child porn with little girls. Stay tuned. German was your usual extrovert, with a dream of one day becoming a science teacher. We are very worried that the police may be trying to pin this crime on Kegan and Tony Kline and we know neither one is involved. Probably at least 6 weeks pregnant if the rumors are true. You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. I dont see a motive for Mr. X either, and he did live right there. If so, where and when? Wouldnt 13-14 year old girls be past dolls and stuffed animals? But that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife. Then they have the nerve to beg for witnesses to come forward with information. Delphi murders: Killer staged bodies and may have taken souvenir, new documents reveal Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby. [42] Derrick leaves to go take photos for Becky's business. Do have any knowledge the workers from Indiana who were transferred over there in 2011-2012, which plant they came from Indiana and which plant they came to work on in Evansdale? But he is also said to have shared his Anthony_shots password with others - including his father - and said his dad could be a prime suspect in the killings. Not sure of the significance here. 3) This man is a *heavy* smoker and a functioning alcoholic. He uses all kinds of weird aliases. One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? BG himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who is the actual killer, so he is both sketches at once, obviously. Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? Much more on that below. Its a dead end. I have the images but Im not sure they are accurate. Can you believe that I said that on Facebook, and some retarded ass computer flagged it and banned me for a while for insulting another user? How do they know he sent audio/video to one of the girls phones? The roommate also said he suspected Mr. X of the Evansdale Murders because during the time of the Evansdale Murders, Mr. X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on a plant there. Also how about this? A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. New details in Delphi murder of Abby Williams and Libby German - Fox 59 The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. These crimes are often a great big game to these guys, and they often try to insert clever little coincidences into their crimes, probably just to freak people out and make themselves seem diabolically clever, evil geniuses. Garrett said he's solved homicide cases that way, because typically a perpetrator buys a gun legally near his or her home, he said. Yes it is all speculation. Press J to jump to the feed. Following the identification of a suspect in the Delphi murder, extensive discussion about the case and purportedly leaked texts from that terrible night erupted online. Interestingly, I had NO idea who you were (sorry). They all go off and do their own work. FBI agent believed bodies 'staged' in Delphi murders | wthr.com Delphi murder investigators focus on social media profile Watch on Who is the creator behind anthony_shots' fake profile? They recovered Libbys phone, so they wouldnt still be looking for the audio/video. FSG along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible lookouts for BG. If he didnt have his keys, he could not move his truck. We dont do that on here and never have. I do not know why RRB is? They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. Isnt that REALLY FUCKING STUPID? One of our team members talked to a detective in Kentucky a couple of years ago who told us about this expunged conviction. Theres only one parent. Keep sleuthing, youre on point to what I see. I have one more message for you. FSG is at the trails every day. She was found in an ivory/white dress. One said hes a real nice guy and hes obviously a ladies man lol. Delphi Man Reportedly Arrested in Connection to Murder of Teen Indiana LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume hes cleared. Highly functioning drunk; its the only way he can appear normal. Only a few seconds of the 43-seconds long recording have not been made public. One person wins and everyone else loses. A brief clip of the man walking towards the girls on the Monon High Bridge Trail was released too. Ive been angry at LE today regarding this case. Deer kit on waist with five hunting knives. The 14-year-old also captured a grainy video on her phone of a man dressed in blue jeans, a jacket and a hoodie walking along the abandoned railroad bridge.